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		<title>Comment on You pay $880 for everyone at the Grand Prix by john broadbent</title>
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		<dc:creator>john broadbent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course i forgot to mention the Myki &quot;deal&quot; which has cost every Victorian taxpayer far more than the GP will ever cost. Add to this the fact that somewhere between 60~80% of tram travellers never buy a ticket i wonder how many hundreds of millions could be &quot;saved&quot; if we had a &quot;community&quot; with a real conscience. I travel on trams quite a bit and am disgusted when my seat is taken by non paying passengers. Yarra Trams argues that the figure is &quot;less than 25% of non paying customers. By my expereince and notations it is at least 3 times that amount. I haven&#039;t seen a ticket inspector since 2010 so who is Auditting these figures? When i have spoken to Yarra Trams people (drivers etc) they whoeheartedly agree with my assessment. Having paid through the nose for Myki i don&#039;t see any financial benefit to the State with the current setup of ticketting/collection. So far as the GP is concerned what  iam trying to say is that focussing on the cost is meaningless. Albert Park is now a collection of updated and well maintained facilities due at least in part to the GP being held there. As to people who claim the Pit building is a &quot;waste of money&quot;, perhaps they should visit it on almost any evening right through the year and check how much it is used for Netball and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course i forgot to mention the Myki &#8220;deal&#8221; which has cost every Victorian taxpayer far more than the GP will ever cost. Add to this the fact that somewhere between 60~80% of tram travellers never buy a ticket i wonder how many hundreds of millions could be &#8220;saved&#8221; if we had a &#8220;community&#8221; with a real conscience. I travel on trams quite a bit and am disgusted when my seat is taken by non paying passengers. Yarra Trams argues that the figure is &#8220;less than 25% of non paying customers. By my expereince and notations it is at least 3 times that amount. I haven&#8217;t seen a ticket inspector since 2010 so who is Auditting these figures? When i have spoken to Yarra Trams people (drivers etc) they whoeheartedly agree with my assessment. Having paid through the nose for Myki i don&#8217;t see any financial benefit to the State with the current setup of ticketting/collection. So far as the GP is concerned what  iam trying to say is that focussing on the cost is meaningless. Albert Park is now a collection of updated and well maintained facilities due at least in part to the GP being held there. As to people who claim the Pit building is a &#8220;waste of money&#8221;, perhaps they should visit it on almost any evening right through the year and check how much it is used for Netball and so on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You pay $880 for everyone at the Grand Prix by Mark</title>
		<link>http://live.org.au/blog/?p=462#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After another successful Formula One Australian Grand Prix, I call on the State Government and the wider community to note the immense value of this event to Victoria. Given the employment, tourism and services benefits the Grand Prix generates, how will the rest of Victoria’s tourism events survive if it is wiped from our calendar?
 
Why should the loss of one event affect the whole of the state in so many ways? Because, as Jeff Kennett aptly put it last year when the debate about the value of the Grand Prix reared its head once more, our events industry is like a train on a bridge. Every pillar that supports the track is central to its ongoing welfare and our ability to keep all our other events, and the supporting businesses, moving along in a successful fashion.
 
Victoria’s major events galvanise business interests in a range of industries on a cyclic basis. If we are to devalue this lone event to a state where we no longer want it, or worse, to a state where Formula One simply takes it away, the catastrophic effect for Victoria will be far-reaching.
 
The Victorian Government commissioned Ernst &amp; Young to conduct a study of the economic impact of the Grand Prix following the 2011 event. The study estimated that the 2011 event increased Victoria’s Gross State Product (GSP) by between $32.04 million and $39.34 million.
 
The Grand Prix also provides significant promotional opportunities for Melbourne and Victoria nationally and internationally. The 2009 event alone provided a media or advertising equivalent value of $35.6 million to the state.
 
The Grand Prix is a pillar in our overall events calendar, which includes the Australian Open, Spring Racing Carnival and Melbourne Food &amp; Wine Festival among many, many more great events. The whole of this calendar is greater than the sum of the parts.
 
Victoria’s major events deliver a combined economic impact to the state of approximately $1.4 billion annually and attract more than 230,000 international visitors every year. 

Collectively, these events work together to promote Melbourne and Victoria to the world and drive significant economic, social and cultural benefits to the state. 

No other location in Australia can stage a mix of international and local sporting events at world-class venues that are in walking distance of the central city precinct, other tourist attractions and a range of first-rate hotels, restaurants and shopping outlets.
 
This story is not a new one but it needs to be reinforced. I ask the Government and the local community again to consider the bigger picture of the value of the Grand Prix, and just how Victorian businesses that depend on the event’s success can continue to prosper without it.

More at http://blog.vecci.org.au/2012/03/16/the-whole-of-victorias-events-calendar-is-much-greater-than-the-sum-of-the-parts/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After another successful Formula One Australian Grand Prix, I call on the State Government and the wider community to note the immense value of this event to Victoria. Given the employment, tourism and services benefits the Grand Prix generates, how will the rest of Victoria’s tourism events survive if it is wiped from our calendar?</p>
<p>Why should the loss of one event affect the whole of the state in so many ways? Because, as Jeff Kennett aptly put it last year when the debate about the value of the Grand Prix reared its head once more, our events industry is like a train on a bridge. Every pillar that supports the track is central to its ongoing welfare and our ability to keep all our other events, and the supporting businesses, moving along in a successful fashion.</p>
<p>Victoria’s major events galvanise business interests in a range of industries on a cyclic basis. If we are to devalue this lone event to a state where we no longer want it, or worse, to a state where Formula One simply takes it away, the catastrophic effect for Victoria will be far-reaching.</p>
<p>The Victorian Government commissioned Ernst &amp; Young to conduct a study of the economic impact of the Grand Prix following the 2011 event. The study estimated that the 2011 event increased Victoria’s Gross State Product (GSP) by between $32.04 million and $39.34 million.</p>
<p>The Grand Prix also provides significant promotional opportunities for Melbourne and Victoria nationally and internationally. The 2009 event alone provided a media or advertising equivalent value of $35.6 million to the state.</p>
<p>The Grand Prix is a pillar in our overall events calendar, which includes the Australian Open, Spring Racing Carnival and Melbourne Food &amp; Wine Festival among many, many more great events. The whole of this calendar is greater than the sum of the parts.</p>
<p>Victoria’s major events deliver a combined economic impact to the state of approximately $1.4 billion annually and attract more than 230,000 international visitors every year. </p>
<p>Collectively, these events work together to promote Melbourne and Victoria to the world and drive significant economic, social and cultural benefits to the state. </p>
<p>No other location in Australia can stage a mix of international and local sporting events at world-class venues that are in walking distance of the central city precinct, other tourist attractions and a range of first-rate hotels, restaurants and shopping outlets.</p>
<p>This story is not a new one but it needs to be reinforced. I ask the Government and the local community again to consider the bigger picture of the value of the Grand Prix, and just how Victorian businesses that depend on the event’s success can continue to prosper without it.</p>
<p>More at <a href="http://blog.vecci.org.au/2012/03/16/the-whole-of-victorias-events-calendar-is-much-greater-than-the-sum-of-the-parts/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.vecci.org.au/2012/03/16/the-whole-of-victorias-events-calendar-is-much-greater-than-the-sum-of-the-parts/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on You pay $880 for everyone at the Grand Prix by David Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To save $50m a year all the Baillieu Government has to do is NOT SIGN a contract to renew the Grand Prix at Albert Park after 2015.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/government-accused-of-hypocrisy-in-bidding-for-grand-prix-after-2015-20120224-1ttxm.html

If only the same were true of the $2bn DESAL Plant and $500m North South Pipeline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To save $50m a year all the Baillieu Government has to do is NOT SIGN a contract to renew the Grand Prix at Albert Park after 2015.<br />
<a href="http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/government-accused-of-hypocrisy-in-bidding-for-grand-prix-after-2015-20120224-1ttxm.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/government-accused-of-hypocrisy-in-bidding-for-grand-prix-after-2015-20120224-1ttxm.html</a></p>
<p>If only the same were true of the $2bn DESAL Plant and $500m North South Pipeline.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You pay $880 for everyone at the Grand Prix by Jade Lauren</title>
		<link>http://live.org.au/blog/?p=462#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>Jade Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the informative article and for finally comparing the numbers in a detailed, yet easy to read manner. I for one was extremely confused from the numerous articles out there that show the positive economic impact Victoria was receiving and was almost thinking this event should stay in Victoria particularly for the ROI for the state (although the carbon emissions greatly disturbs me) . You have completely changed my opinion. I would like to see an environmental scientist&#039;s estimate on the total Carbon emissions generated from this event and presented to the government. It would be outrageously disgusting, I can only imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the informative article and for finally comparing the numbers in a detailed, yet easy to read manner. I for one was extremely confused from the numerous articles out there that show the positive economic impact Victoria was receiving and was almost thinking this event should stay in Victoria particularly for the ROI for the state (although the carbon emissions greatly disturbs me) . You have completely changed my opinion. I would like to see an environmental scientist&#8217;s estimate on the total Carbon emissions generated from this event and presented to the government. It would be outrageously disgusting, I can only imagine.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You pay $880 for everyone at the Grand Prix by John Broadbent</title>
		<link>http://live.org.au/blog/?p=462#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>John Broadbent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 07:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t understand why the Grand Prix is the only recurring expenditure that continues to attract accusations of “it’s a waste of money” when there are so many dollars wasted by Local Councils and State Governments and the Federal Government repeatedly on many times 50 or 60 million EVERY year. There are also many millions (possibly billions) of dollars NOT spent on infrastructure that should have been spent years ago, mainly because most politicians travel everywhere by plane or car and have no idea what the public go through daily. Putting emphasis on misspent cash on the GP is irrelevant. There are far more important subjects to be discussed and many more opportunities to embarrass our politicians into DOING something constructive. At least Ron Walker is DOING something, what is it about Australians who want to knock people who try to fix our image problems? Without the Grand Prix Albert Park would have remained a down at heel rundown rat infested conglomeration of outdated facilities.

Where were the objections when the DESAL plant was being tendered? (More than $2bn of wasted public money). Why is the $500m North-South Pipeline built from the Goulburn river across the Dividing Range now completely empty of water and will probably rust out before it is ever used?  Why has the Melbourne rail system been unchanged (with the exception of the 13kms of track in the underground) for more than 60 years? Where is the new rolling stock for the train system that was supposedly ordered several years ago? (I think the word is spelt “Cancelled”). Why do we still have more than 200 rail level crossings causing countless hours of traffic holdups? So how does $50m per year look now?

I live close to the start-finish line of the GP and I have no real objection to it other than the profiteering by Bernie Ecclestone. There are many &quot;advantages&quot; to our &quot;community&quot; from this event other than promotion of hoon driving etc. I have lived in Melbourne my entire life but never been to the Melbourne Cup. Why? I have no interest in horse racing. But I don&#039;t object to the &quot;cost&quot; because I know there are many other benefits from this annual event.

Of course I forgot to mention the Myki &quot;deal&quot; which has cost every Victorian taxpayer far more than the GP will ever cost. Add to this the fact that somewhere between 60~80% of tram travellers never buy a ticket I wonder how many hundreds of millions could be &quot;saved&quot; if we had a &quot;community&quot; with a real conscience. I travel on trams quite a bit and am disgusted when my seat is taken by non paying passengers. Yarra Trams argues that the figure is &quot;less than 25% of non paying customers. By my expereince and notations it is at least 3 times that amount. I haven&#039;t seen a ticket inspector since 2010 so who is Auditting these figures? When I have spoken to Yarra Trams people (drivers etc) they whoeheartedly agree with my assessment. Having paid through the nose for Myki I don&#039;t see any financial benefit to the State with the current setup of ticketting/collection. So far as the GP is concerned what I am trying to say is that focussing on the cost is meaningless. Albert Park is now a collection of updated and well maintained facilities due at least in part to the GP being held there. As to people who claim the Pit building is a &quot;waste of money&quot;, perhaps they should visit it on almost any evening right through the year and check how much it is used for Netball and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t understand why the Grand Prix is the only recurring expenditure that continues to attract accusations of “it’s a waste of money” when there are so many dollars wasted by Local Councils and State Governments and the Federal Government repeatedly on many times 50 or 60 million EVERY year. There are also many millions (possibly billions) of dollars NOT spent on infrastructure that should have been spent years ago, mainly because most politicians travel everywhere by plane or car and have no idea what the public go through daily. Putting emphasis on misspent cash on the GP is irrelevant. There are far more important subjects to be discussed and many more opportunities to embarrass our politicians into DOING something constructive. At least Ron Walker is DOING something, what is it about Australians who want to knock people who try to fix our image problems? Without the Grand Prix Albert Park would have remained a down at heel rundown rat infested conglomeration of outdated facilities.</p>
<p>Where were the objections when the DESAL plant was being tendered? (More than $2bn of wasted public money). Why is the $500m North-South Pipeline built from the Goulburn river across the Dividing Range now completely empty of water and will probably rust out before it is ever used?  Why has the Melbourne rail system been unchanged (with the exception of the 13kms of track in the underground) for more than 60 years? Where is the new rolling stock for the train system that was supposedly ordered several years ago? (I think the word is spelt “Cancelled”). Why do we still have more than 200 rail level crossings causing countless hours of traffic holdups? So how does $50m per year look now?</p>
<p>I live close to the start-finish line of the GP and I have no real objection to it other than the profiteering by Bernie Ecclestone. There are many &#8220;advantages&#8221; to our &#8220;community&#8221; from this event other than promotion of hoon driving etc. I have lived in Melbourne my entire life but never been to the Melbourne Cup. Why? I have no interest in horse racing. But I don&#8217;t object to the &#8220;cost&#8221; because I know there are many other benefits from this annual event.</p>
<p>Of course I forgot to mention the Myki &#8220;deal&#8221; which has cost every Victorian taxpayer far more than the GP will ever cost. Add to this the fact that somewhere between 60~80% of tram travellers never buy a ticket I wonder how many hundreds of millions could be &#8220;saved&#8221; if we had a &#8220;community&#8221; with a real conscience. I travel on trams quite a bit and am disgusted when my seat is taken by non paying passengers. Yarra Trams argues that the figure is &#8220;less than 25% of non paying customers. By my expereince and notations it is at least 3 times that amount. I haven&#8217;t seen a ticket inspector since 2010 so who is Auditting these figures? When I have spoken to Yarra Trams people (drivers etc) they whoeheartedly agree with my assessment. Having paid through the nose for Myki I don&#8217;t see any financial benefit to the State with the current setup of ticketting/collection. So far as the GP is concerned what I am trying to say is that focussing on the cost is meaningless. Albert Park is now a collection of updated and well maintained facilities due at least in part to the GP being held there. As to people who claim the Pit building is a &#8220;waste of money&#8221;, perhaps they should visit it on almost any evening right through the year and check how much it is used for Netball and so on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You pay $880 for everyone at the Grand Prix by SP</title>
		<link>http://live.org.au/blog/?p=462#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>SP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colleagues have argued the Grand Prix is worth saving.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/gp-may-just-be-a-cog-in-a-bigger-wheel-20120305-1ue6q.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;See this AGE article&lt;/a&gt;

I disagree - the environmental effects, and poor financial returns, outweigh the support to secondary Melbourne businesses. If the car race departs, we are still left with the horse race, after all. 

The symbolism of having a grand prix has diminished over the years. In my youth, such things were sexy and exciting. These days, they are dinosaurs - part of the last gasp of the carbon age. Good riddance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colleagues have argued the Grand Prix is worth saving.  <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/gp-may-just-be-a-cog-in-a-bigger-wheel-20120305-1ue6q.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">See this AGE article</a></p>
<p>I disagree &#8211; the environmental effects, and poor financial returns, outweigh the support to secondary Melbourne businesses. If the car race departs, we are still left with the horse race, after all. </p>
<p>The symbolism of having a grand prix has diminished over the years. In my youth, such things were sexy and exciting. These days, they are dinosaurs &#8211; part of the last gasp of the carbon age. Good riddance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You pay $880 for everyone at the Grand Prix by Miro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second you sentiments Elizabeth. Time and time again I see figures quoted on just how much this &quot;disruption&quot; is costing us and I&#039;ve had enough. I want our peace and our park back not to mention our tax money!

Best wishes
Miro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second you sentiments Elizabeth. Time and time again I see figures quoted on just how much this &#8220;disruption&#8221; is costing us and I&#8217;ve had enough. I want our peace and our park back not to mention our tax money!</p>
<p>Best wishes<br />
Miro</p>
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		<title>Comment on You pay $880 for everyone at the Grand Prix by Miro</title>
		<link>http://live.org.au/blog/?p=462#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>Miro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I see it like this. In short the social licence for this type of &quot;fun&quot; has expired round about when were we all told that 1) the petrol is running out, 2) We all have to tighten our wallets and expect $1 then $1.50 L prices. 3) When the climate change became a grave concern.

Why? Well there is only a very limited number of people whom can sustain &quot;tighten you belts&quot; and then watch extremely well paid few flaunt and waste it right in front of our eyes.

We want our park back and these noisy dinosaurs put to rest.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I see it like this. In short the social licence for this type of &#8220;fun&#8221; has expired round about when were we all told that 1) the petrol is running out, 2) We all have to tighten our wallets and expect $1 then $1.50 L prices. 3) When the climate change became a grave concern.</p>
<p>Why? Well there is only a very limited number of people whom can sustain &#8220;tighten you belts&#8221; and then watch extremely well paid few flaunt and waste it right in front of our eyes.</p>
<p>We want our park back and these noisy dinosaurs put to rest.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You pay $880 for everyone at the Grand Prix by David Feith</title>
		<link>http://live.org.au/blog/?p=462#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>David Feith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly object to the Grand Prix, for 4 reasons:
  1) It costs the state an enormous amount of money which would be better spent in the more important areas of education and health.  
2) It has taken over the public space of Albert Park, restricted access for over a month, and now completely denied public access. 
 3)  It celebrates hoon behaviour which in any other context would be condemned as anti-social and irresponsible (driving cars too  fast and making too much noise). 
4)  Perhaps the strongest objection is that in this time of climate crisis the Grand Prix celebrates petrol burning cars.  Cars driven by petrol are now obsolete and anachronistic – they belong to an age which should be past.  In this time of climate crisis we need to celebrate forms of transport that use renewable energy sources, not dirty noisy obsolete petrol driven cars.
I suggest everyone boycotts the Grand Prix, and requests the state government to not allow it in Victoria  in future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly object to the Grand Prix, for 4 reasons:<br />
  1) It costs the state an enormous amount of money which would be better spent in the more important areas of education and health.<br />
2) It has taken over the public space of Albert Park, restricted access for over a month, and now completely denied public access.<br />
 3)  It celebrates hoon behaviour which in any other context would be condemned as anti-social and irresponsible (driving cars too  fast and making too much noise).<br />
4)  Perhaps the strongest objection is that in this time of climate crisis the Grand Prix celebrates petrol burning cars.  Cars driven by petrol are now obsolete and anachronistic – they belong to an age which should be past.  In this time of climate crisis we need to celebrate forms of transport that use renewable energy sources, not dirty noisy obsolete petrol driven cars.<br />
I suggest everyone boycotts the Grand Prix, and requests the state government to not allow it in Victoria  in future.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You pay $880 for everyone at the Grand Prix by Cecily Falkingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cecily Falkingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To turn our diminishing parkland into a noisy, polluted area just for a car race, that costs Melbourne lots of cash, divides the community, and has been proven to be an unpopular decision, not just for local residents, but all people who care for their environment is a disaster.  It is not as if we don&#039;t have other race tracks in Victoria that are suitable, after 17 years we need to be listened to and taken seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To turn our diminishing parkland into a noisy, polluted area just for a car race, that costs Melbourne lots of cash, divides the community, and has been proven to be an unpopular decision, not just for local residents, but all people who care for their environment is a disaster.  It is not as if we don&#8217;t have other race tracks in Victoria that are suitable, after 17 years we need to be listened to and taken seriously.</p>
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